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On Thursday, August 18, 2022 around 2 pm, the time had finally come!
The moment of truth about the potency of the 600cc engine was upon us!
The black original engine of my HONDA XL600R PD03, which I completely rebuilt from scratch, should be “felt on the tooth”, i.e. the performance of the engine should be tested on a p4 measuring system in order to be able to prove its potential "black on white".

The new engine was reinstalled and revived by me on March 10, 2022 after a good 5 years of construction, the (red) replacement engine was removed, and is now on my kitchen cabinet. Mom is not amused!

Since its reinstallation in March, the new engine has covered exactly 2,436km (1514mls) until its test.

The p4 measuring system, a chassis dynamometer, is located at MGH in 41462 NEUSS and is not far from Düsseldorf. It is not the first visit of my XL there, as the pictures in my gallery show.
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The workshop master of MHG (the guy in the pictures) and I push my moped to the stand and fix it there with two red straps on the fork. He sets the parameters for the test on the PC, I start the machine and he runs through a complete test run. It only takes about 3 minutes, then the haunting is already over!
The noise of my 600 at high acceleration is deafening and hellishly loud! :mrgreen: He tolerates it only with hearing protection. - Wimpy! :lol:

A small review of the engine data of an XL600R PD03, which according to the manufacturer HONDA (allegedly) it should have! Unfortunately, even the official data within HONDA are inconsistent and confusing depending on the source (brochures, WHB, vehicle registration, etc.)!

Manufacturer engine data XL600R:
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(WHB=Workshop Manual)

The fact is, in 1983 the people at HONDA were particularly happy to exaggerate their performance figures! This was also confirmed to me by the workshop master of MHG with his many years of experience, who in his past has tested countless HONDA's on his test bench with poor performance!

The measurement result of the test run of my XL looks like this. First comes the measurement curve of the determined power at the rear wheel on which the power dissipation of the drive train is then added to obtain the power at the crankshaft.

Power (crankshaft) = power (rear wheel) + power dissipation (drivetrain)

Determined power on the rear wheel or "diagram rear wheel"

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Power on the crankshaft or "diagram clutch":
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The official measurement result of today (18.8.2022) for the black original engine of the XL is:
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The evaluation of the measurement diagrams:

Although my tested engine with a maximum of 43.1 measured hp exactly reaches the specifications according to HONDA WHB 1-2 – albeit at slightly higher speeds – I am disappointed. My high expectations of the expected maximum power were clearly missed by 3 hp to 4 hp! – “The mouse does not bite off a thread!” :roll:

It is noteworthy, however, that the engine provides its 43hp over a wide speed range of around 700 RPM as if on a plateau! That's ~10% of its (green) speed band. Between 6,000 RPM and 6,700 RPM, the diagram shows that the new engine delivers its maximum power at 43hp!

With the maximum torque, on the other hand, there was a small positive surprise!
It is surpassed by 5 Nm. That's 9% above the factory specification! - Not bad, Mr. Specht! :lol: 8)

Even the top speed of 170km/h can reach my XL not only on the test bench, but also in real operation with me on it, as I am very aerodynamically shaped! :lol:

When riding my XL I notice very clearly that from 4,000 RPM the mail goes off like hell and lasts until 6,000 RPM, then remains constant. However, I miss the famous "icing on the cake"! :? :shock:

Another advantage of the newly built engine is the apparently lower fuel consumption. The fact is that I have not had a fuel consumption of 3.63l/100km for YEARS! The subject must first be examined in more detail by me, which is not trivial, because consumption is subject to many parameters. But there is evidence that indicates that the consumption of my revised engine (compared to my red replacement engine) is about 20% lower. Another advantage of the newly built engine is the apparently lower fuel consumption. The fact is that I have not had a fuel consumption of 3.63l/100km for YEARS! The subject must first be examined in more detail by me, which is not trivial, because consumption is subject to many parameters. But there is evidence that indicates that the consumption of my revised engine (compared to my red replacement engine) is about 20% lower.

That's only half the story so far. The full one is that on 13.10.2008 – freshly installed with the piston of the first oversize – a first visit of the original engine took place on the test bench in Neuss. The official measurement result of 13.10.2008 for the black original engine of the XL shows the lower diagram, which can be found on page one in my picture gallery:

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His (most important) measurement results from 13.10.2008 are:
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A comparison of both measurements from 13.10.2008 with that of 18.8.2022 proves that 14 years later:
1.) the maximum horsepower is identical to 43hp, and that at the same speed!
2.) the new maximum torque of 53.6Nm (again) is 2.2Nm (=4.3%) higher, and that at identical speed!

The plus of 4.3% should also appear at the maximum performance! Why don't they do it? That would be exactly the 4 hp extra I missed! (2hp + 2hp camshaft.) :roll: :roll:

I am now licking my wounds and trying to find out why the additional horsepower calculated by me does not appear in the peak power of the new engine! I already have a few ideas!
I'm sure I'll find and uncover more hidden horsepower in my XL600R in the coming years! Some "bottlenecks" are already known!

At the crowning conclusion of my major project, I have a little treat for everyone! There is a short video of my machine with this engine from the test run on the p4 measuring system in Neuss of 2.5 minutes duration, which I shot and uploaded to YOUTUBE (with the value support of TCP).

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Gabriel’s HONDA XL600R von 1983 auf p4-Meßanlage bei MHG 18.8.22

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Effectiveness

What does "effectiveness" mean in an internal combustion engine? In many cases this means that it consumes less fuel on average, even though it is more powerful, i.e. has more power or torque.

This can be achieved by increasing the (thermal and mechanical) efficiency of the combustion engine η and/or reducing the various power losses, such as those caused by mass inertia. When I rebuilt my defective engine, I tweaked all the adjusting screws a bit by reworking all the individual engine components before installing them.

In order to calculate personal behavior when it comes to fuel consumption, the consumption should logically be determined over as long a distance as possible for the respective engine.
I think a distance of around 3,000 km (1865mls) should be enough for a first impression.
(I have to cover more distance with the new engine to get a better impression. Since the engine was installed in March 2022, it has covered around 5,300km without any problems.)


I have already proven that my newly built original engine has 9% more torque compared to the manufacturer's specifications through my performance measurements on the p4 measuring system in Neuss.
Now until I am able to prove that for gas mileage as well.

In 2021 I visited England on my XL and covered around 3,000km (2,671km exactly!).
In 2022 I visited England again and covered around 3,000km again (2,819km exactly!).

In both cases, I always determined the individual consumption when refueling over 100km and also the total consumption over the entire distance. I then used EXCEL to create these nifty two charts!

Benzinverbrauch 2021/ Gasoline consumption 2021
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Benzinverbrauch 2022/ Gasoline consumption 2022
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While the average in 2021 (with the red replacement engine) over 2,622 km is 4.55 liters, a year later 2022 at 2,819 km it is only 4.01 liters per 100 km!
The (red replacement) engine consumes 0.54 liters more per 100km! That's 13.5% more fuel!

As a “rider” of the machine, I also notice this amazing fact in reality. The 12 liter fuel tank of the XL600R is empty much later or the switch to "reserve" takes place later, which makes my wallet made of "onion leather" happy at today's prices!

In summary, my fancy new original engine consumes 12% less fuel on average over 100km and has 9% more torque. My new engine works more efficiently!

(The fact that it does not also have 9% more peak power at nominal speed is initially left out until the "riddle" is solved!)

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Do you reckon its all due to the new engine or the combined fact of engine + proper tune-up? It also could be your right wrist ;), seeing that in 2022 the graph is more wavy and less erractic compared to 2021, makes me to believe you drove more highway or kept steadier speeds :idea: .

Still nice though, less gas money means more budget for tinkering :mrgreen:


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Certainly the combined fact of refurbished engine, fine-tuning and proper tune-up.

I actually drove a little more motorway than usual because of the incidents, but what % does that make up?
How many kilometers do you have to drive - in your opinion - to calculate "the right hand" out?
Isn't a distance of 3,000 km enough for a first impression, as in my example? :roll:

One older trip shows me similar results! 8)

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Certainly the combined fact of refurbished engine, fine-tuning and proper tune-up.

I actually drove a little more motorway than usual because of the incidents, but what % does that make up?
How many kilometers do you have to drive - in your opinion - to calculate "the right hand" out?
Isn't a distance of 3,000 km enough for a first impression, as in my example? :roll:

One older trip shows me similar results! 8)


Eya Gabriel,

KM's alone don't say much. Amount of KM's combined with the context says a lot more about the graphs. Same roads used/weather conditions etc. That was more what I tried to imply.
Fex. Could have been that the first trip was mostly B-roads (no highway) and offroad and this trip was more highway, which could explain the drop in consumption as well.

Nontheless, result is still good!


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Hey yeah

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How many kilometers do you have to drive - in your opinion - to calculate "the right hand" out?

After centauries of riding my riding style varies not mucho.

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You consider yourself one with your bike :wink:

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Hello Forum!

I was hit by a bitter setback of double nature!

Firstly, my beautiful new handlebars are CROOKED again (~4 inches), secondly, my painstakingly rebuilt (black) original engine gave up the ghost after only 4,077 mls (6,564km) distance!

ENGINE FAILURE! Milage: 149,137 miles (239.962km).
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At the beginning of this June I successfully completed my first big tour of this year with 921km (575 mls), only to get stuck with an engine failure on my second one!
The first tour went to the XL meeting in the north of Germany at the Uhlenköper-Ring (near Uelzen, Hamburg), the second was to go south to Markt-Rettenbach (near Kempten, Allgäu) for the meeting of the "100,000km Club"!
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Thursday noon, 29.6.2023, my first stage started for an overnight stay in Eppingen (320km, 200 mls) and the first 95km (60mls) or so I drove on the A57-A1-A3 (35) Neustadt (Wied) motorways. From there I continued on country roads. Only about one mile to 3 mls after the exit of the motorway A3 the engine simply stopped on the B256 at the entrance to 56954 Willroth as if someone had switched off the ignition!

I quickly realized that the damage was NOT ELECTRICAL, but mechanical. The engine no longer showed any compression when kick starting!

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On the same day I was picked up there (with my luggage) by buddy TCP and driven home, the damaged machine stayed there (with newly found friends)! My bike was brought back to Düsseldorf three days later on Sunday.
Since the borrowed Renault Kangoo was a bit too small and not high enough, the 23 inches front wheel had to be dismantled. When unloading in Düsseldorf, I handed over my XL to the care of my buddy TCP for a short time, only standing on the fork without the front wheel.
I was only 5 minutes away to get a stool to put under the engine block.
I was almost back when I had to watch TCP leave my XL alone and crash it on its left side into the cobblestone road with a loud nasty crash!
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Damage:
New bull's eye damaged, left footrest and the brand new LSL-handlebar already bent by four inches!
MERDE!

Misfortune rarely comes alone! Or how?

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28.4.2023: 40 jaar eerste bezitter van zijn XL600R


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Hi gabri,

see e-mail :wink:


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Hoi "Chilly"!

I got it!

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Repair of second engine failure "black engine"

Sat, Sept. 22, 2023 is the official start of the repair of the second engine failure on the original black engine of my XL600R.

We remember!
On June 29, 2023, I rode south on my second tour of the year to attend the meeting of the 100,000km club in Markt-Rettenbach. I got about 69mls (110km) to Willroth, a tiny town just behind the motorway exit 35 of the A3 from Neustadt/Wied.


I was driving around in a right-hand bend and wanted to accelerate up again when I ran out of propulsion and the engine was dead. Just under 6250 mls (10,000km) after reinstalling the original engine of my machine, it is defective for the second time!

Start of engine disassembly
First, I dismantled the (outer) oil riser and the valve cover. Then I was able to take a first look inside the engine to see if there were any causes for the damage suffered in June 2023.

The oil riser and the two hollow screws are free, they have no blockages or anything like that.

The first glance into the open valve hood does not show anything conspicuous. All rocker and finger followers(?) can be moved freely, nothing broken can be seen.

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Reparatie tweede motorstoring "zwarte motor"

Za 22 september 2023 is de officiële start van de reparatie van de tweede motorstoring op de originele zwarte motor van mijn XL600R.

We herinneren het ons!
Op 29 juni 2023 reed ik naar het zuiden op mijn tweede tocht van het jaar om de bijeenkomst van de 100.000km club in Markt-Rettenbach bij te wonen. Ik kreeg ongeveer 110 km naar Willroth, een klein stadje net achter de snelweg afrit 35 van de A3 van Neustadt / Wied.


Ik reed rond in een bocht naar rechts en wilde weer accelereren toen ik geen voortstuwing meer had en de motor dood was. Iets minder dan 10.000km na het opnieuw installeren van de originele motor van mijn machine, is deze voor de tweede keer defect!

Start van de demontage van de motor
Eerst heb ik de (buitenste) olieverhoger en het kleppendeksel gedemonteerd. Daarna kon ik een eerste blik in de motor werpen om te zien of er oorzaken waren voor de opgelopen schade in juni 2023.

De olieverhoger en de twee holle schroeven zijn vrij, ze hebben geen verstoppingen of iets dergelijks.

De eerste blik in de open klepkap laat niets opvallends zien. Alle rocker- en vingervolgers zijn vrij te bewegen, er is niets gebrokens te zien.

IMG-3953: valve hood/ klepkap
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My first look at the upper, open part of the cylinder head does not show any abnormalities at first.
(But I should have looked more closely(!), as my photos later prove!)
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Mijn eerste blik op het bovenste, open deel van de cilinderkop laat in eerste instantie geen afwijkingen zien.
(Maar ik had beter moeten kijken(!), zoals mijn foto's later bewijzen!)

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28.4.2023: 40 jaar eerste bezitter van zijn XL600R


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Nice try for the cliffhanger. :P

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Any serious damage? I hope not. Hope its just a matter of putting the pin back. But how did that even come loose? :?: :shock: That should be held in place by the rockercover, no?.


Also is the wear on your rockers normal for 10k use? They look pretty worn already in my greenhorn experience :roll: :lol:


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Hoi mensen, hello Chilly,

Yes, very serious damage occured to this motor!
I would be very happy if it’s done just by putting back of that damned pin in its genuine position if there are not two bent valves occured.

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But how did that even come loose? :?: :shock:

THAT’s the right question to pose!!
Who’s guilt is it?
Mine or HONDA’s??? :roll:

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That should be held in place by the rockercover, no?.

It should! You are right.
But it is NOT, as my conveyed investigation shows!

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Also is the wear on your rockers normal for 10k use?

May be you are right but in my (own first) glance they look pretty good, but I’ll keep an eye at it!
Your greenhorn-eyes see a bit better than my. You discovered (two) relevant damages I did not at first but at second glance, haha!!

But please follow my story being told to hear more! :mrgreen:

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ZOOM-IMG-3957-Oeffung-Spanner: EMPTY! No pin in the cavity!!! :evil: :roll:
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The possible cause of my (second) engine failure on the (black) original engine of my XL600R has been found!

I want to dismantle the timing chain tensioner – and I'm making a serious mistake in my thinking! MERDE!

In my (red) replacement motor, the tensioner is secured with an M6-Allen screw (M6x20) made of steel. I stupidly think of this when I put a 5mm Allen key in the opening and want to loosen the supposed screw. But nothing turned, so I take "heavy artillery" in the form of an impact wrench and "sharpen" with a hammer cheerfully (and completely brainlessly!) at it, only to notice that there was no Allen screw sitting there at all!

It was only by chance that I discovered the (steel) metal pin (33x5mm) (dowel pin, 91102-MG3-000), which secures the tensioner in place on my black original engine, which was barely visible under the camshaft!

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De mogelijke oorzaak van mijn (tweede) motorstoring op de (zwarte) originele motor van mijn XL600R is gevonden!

Ik wil de distributiekettingspanner demonteren – en ik maak een ernstige denkfout! MERDE!

In de (rode) vervangingsmotor wordt de spanner vastgezet met een M6 inbusschroef (M6x20) van staal. Ik denk hier stom genoeg aan als ik een 5mm inbussleutel in de opening steek en de veronderstelde schroef los wil draaien. Maar er draaide niets, dus ik neem "zware artillerie" in de vorm van een slagmoersleutel en "dengel" met een hamer er vrolijk (en volledig hersenloos!) tegenaan, om er vervolgens op te merken dat er helemaal geen inbusschroef zat!

Het was slechts bij toeval dat ik de (stalen) metalen pen (33x5mm) (deuvelpen, 91102-MG3-000) ontdekte, die de spanner vastzet in plaats van de schroef op mijn zwarte originele motor, die nauwelijks zichtbaar was onder de nokkenas!

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Current mileage: 240.000 km/149000 mls
17.4.2015 Erster Motorschaden in Smilde, NL
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